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"HE'S BEEN DEAD TO ME SINCE..."

I really was never a really big fan. Never owned an album.  More of a rock and roller, to tell the truth.  BUT, his influence, both on music and pop culture can't be denied.

He was never "dead to me since..." This is the third time I've gotten this quote today.   "Michael Jackson has been dead to me since...."   What is this? The fucking Godfather?  While I appreciate the cynicism, Michael Jackson was always VERY ALIVE to me.

He was alive to me during the 70's, when Jackson 5 records played on my parents hi-fi stereo are some of my first memories as a human being.  Everytime I here "Baby Take Me Back," I'm transported to my house in Nisqually Valley, circa 1976.

He was alive to me in the early 80's.  I remember listening to songs from "Off the Wall" during my summer's doing childrens' theatre.  These tunes were part of the soundtrack to my pre-adolescence.

He was alive to me in middle school:  I remember when "Thriller" came out, how I was a rocker and had to pretend to hate it so much. And I did, publicly, though I secretly liked a lot of the songs.  What  I did hate was how POPULAR it was, how it was some sort of "normal person" litmus test that you liked the thing. It was like railing against The Beatles after they appeared on "Sullivan." I may have been righteous in my cause, but it was a losing battle.  Not liking "Thriller" in the day made me feel like a freak, like an iconoclast, and I still carry that real feeling of oppositional pride with me today,.

He was alive to me fourteen years ago.  I remember in the mid '90's when "History" came out. I remember the uber-pretentious superhero/Stalinesque mural that adorned the wall of - what was it - Penny Lane in Lower Queen Anne? It was then that I knew it was over, that he had crossed the line from silly to sick.

He was alive to me ten years ago (or so), when he went on trial for abusing those kids.  And though we all know he was guilty  (and he was, he fucking did it, ALL), he got off.  Was it just wealth?  Or was it the fact that we all knew that he'd already paid for his crimes, that his existence was now pathetic and miserable, that prison time would just be redudant?  One glance at those SAD SAD photos of his surgery travesties told a thousand stories of abject self-loathing.  He was already a casualty of himself. 

People have abused me for mourning MJ's death. I've gotten my share of mocking laughs and ironic shrugs. Fair enough. He was a child molester. This is plenty to damn him anywhere. He was a freak. His plasic surgery catastrophes could elicit nothing but pity from anyone who was unfortunate enough to witness the photos.

You can condemn him on these terms alone.

But he was one of the purest pop geniuses to come around in a century. Lennon? McCartney? Wilson? He was their EQUAL. But, he was an absulote contradiction. He was brilliant and eternally flawed, so fucked up that many of us wished him this death some ten years ago. He lived and died by this wicked sword, but, like it or hate it, his impact on pop culture is more than indelible. As I said before, it's Elvisian. Both were tsunamis of effect. Both were massive in their day. Both were tragic. You can roll your eyes and sigh and tell me, "I told you so," but it doesn't make Michael Jackson unimportant. As fucked up as he was, he was a FORCE.

There are VERY FEW artists you can say that about.

Think about it

Comments

Honesty, I don't agree with you. Nothtat he wasn't a musical genius, bu tI don;t think his music will have left such a lasting impressing or change on the face of the music scene as the Beatles and Elvis.
Who knows. His songwriting probably wasn't on par with Lennon/McCartney, but he was important.
Well said. I think it is in the dance world that he left the biggest mark. Many of today's most important choreographers took cues from him.

(Anonymous)

Since when did this kiddie fiddler have a million peole walking on the Whitehouse singing 'Give peace a chance' in the middle of your countrys war?

It just bigs up my case that the usa is a country whos history is based upon marilyn monroe having a windy dress, a single president getting shot, 3,000 odd peole dieing in a plane crash and the likes of Michael promoting shite like pepsi, coke, mcdonalds all over the world.

Thats your nations legacy at the mo.

Research some real historical characters. Charles II for example. Or how about Picasso?

Fuck the moon walk.

Scouser

Please.

That's right, the US has produced no literature, music, art, films, science, or ideas of any importance.

What, didn't you have any books in Liverpool, or did Thatcher take those away too?

Keep sucking your own European cock.

Edited at 2009-06-27 04:02 am (UTC)

(Anonymous)

compared to the rest of the world yes...usa has produced almost none of these things. Its just that the you shout the loudest about what you have produced.

keep sucking korean cock.

Scouser

(Anonymous)

Re: WITH LOVE, BUT YOU GOTS TO GET TOLD

Seriously, if McDonald's is such crap, why do you motherfuckers eat it? Because Michael Jordan told you to?

And what's wrong with cheeseburgers? If that were my achievement to humanity, I'd be fucking proud. And rich.

JB

(Anonymous)

Re: WITH LOVE, BUT YOU GOTS TO GET TOLD

With love too.

But who is this Michael Jordan? The kinder egg who sold his arse to every label and brand going just because he was freakishly tall?

Anyway, I'm vegetarian. (sniffs and pouts all snooty).

Scouser

(Anonymous)

This is true. Except for developing blues, rythym & blues, jazz, gospel, soul, rap, rock & roll, punk rock, country, western, folk, bluegrass, and electronica/techno, the USA has made no real contributions to music.

(Anonymous)

America developed folk!

hahahaha...what a nobhead.

The tags you quote are just the names given to a variety of styles of music that have been going on since long before your country was invented.

Some people...

Scouser

(Anonymous)

hey scouser--
that post was from me, angry steve. ok--I admit folk came from basically Scotland and Ireland. But all the other stuff--pure America. Because we had the great wisdom to import boatloads of soulfull blacks and make 'em miserable enough to create great music.

(Anonymous)

The Force

He was a genius. But I still don't give a shit.

I can still remember where and when I heard when Lennon was killed. I was a fan. Even Elvis, though I was only 6 years old and didn't really know or care much about him. Will I remember that I was sitting in front of this computer when I read that headline? (It's probably safe to say that I will remember receiving any bit of news from now until I die as having come from some computer somewhere, but I digress). I forgot even to mention it to my girlfriend for for several hours, so little did it mean to me.

You want to talk tragic? Lennon was tragic. A man guilty of nothing shot down by a lunatic. Elvis, somewhat tragic, slowly dragged down by addiction that he failed to escape. Michael Jackson, tragic? If you want to be charitable and say that any person so obviously fucked up is "tragic" then go ahead, a lot of people on that particular bandwagon will agree with you. But I'll only say this, if I had a 13 year old son, and that freak sucked him off and then tried to pay me to shut up, I would have killed Michael Jackson myself. Where would be the tragedy in that? On his side, or mine?

Someone in my house owned a copy of "Off the Wall". Yeah, it's brilliant, even to a proto-metalhead like me at that time. Still, his death occupied my thoughts for about 30 seconds yesterday, and today only because of the inevitable eulogies and defenses I will be obliged to ehar for the rest of this week. After that?

I still think about John Lennon, and I swear I still get misty when I consider all that was lost, all that he might have done, all that his family missed out on, etc. Sorry Mike, but to me you won't quite make that cut. Elvis was tragic, but even even Elvis's death was something of a deliverance, as it must have been painful to watch him slowly succumb to addiction, to become a Las Vegas caricature of himself. I put Mike in that category also, only more so: painful to watch him dig that weird, weird hole deeper and deeper.

Regarding "dead to me" : he was a force. His influence is undeniable. But the only thing he has done of significance in the past twenty years is appear in court for breaking the law looking very weird and fucked up. So I say he, Michael Jackson, the relevant artist, "died". He was dead, by his own kiddie-groping hand.

You know what, Phil Spector was a fucking genius too. Maybe he still is. But he killed someone for no goddamn reason, and so will rot in jail for the rest of his miserable life. Where are the blog posts lamenting the loss of his great genius? Not you Chris, but there are a lot of hypocrites out there who should be moaning about that as well (one of the great recording geniuses of the late 20th century, of pop music's golden years, is going to rot in a jail cell until he dies. Is that tragic?

Sorry bro, I don't think so. I think it's perfectly just and fair that the world shut those people away in a box, be it in a jail or some deep, unfrequented place in their memories, and move the fuck on. And soon.

John B.

Re: The Force

Hey John.

Great response. Really can't argue.

And you're right about Spector.

(Anonymous)

influnce?

Michael Jackson cannot and should not be put on the level of Elvis, Lennon/McCartney, Jagger/Richards or Brian Wilson, or even slightly lesser pop geniuses like Elton John, Springsteen, Prince, or the Velvet Underground.

Who, really, did he influence? A lot of dancers and choreographers, mainly. From a pure musical standpoint, his greatest skill was the broadness of his taste, as well as his ability to write melodic pop hooks across multiple genres. But really, his bread-and-butter was a light funk/soul that wasn't any kind of stylistic breakthrough. He just did it better than anyone else. Also, his "brilliant" period consisted of exactly two albums (Off the Wall, Thriller). And a LOT of what made those albums brilliant can be credited to Quincy Jones. After that, his output ranged from adequate to retreads.
Yes, he was hugely talented. He wrote perhaps a dozen classic pop songs, and maybe a dozen more pretty good ones. But there's nobody today who does "Michael Jackson-style" music. Because there really is no such thing. He was a dance and music video innovator. But he was not a musical innovator.
A lot of the reports have mentioned that we never got to see his great "comeback." That is a fantasy. He was finished, completely and utterly.

--angry--

(Anonymous)

Re: influnce?

A round of applause.

Scouser.

(Anonymous)

Re: influnce? ....uh I think you mean "influence"

What "angry" said. Note that by the end of the 1980s, the decade over whose Pop Music Jackson allegedly reigned as King, rap/hip-hop had steadily worked a much greater sea-change upon public tastes, emerging and remaining as the dominant musical force in black music as the 90s began, overshadowing the neo-Broadway shenanigans of the "King of Pap." Meanwhile, while MJ was hobnobbing with the Reagans in the White (excuse me, the "Vitiligo") House, scads of brilliant underground bands in the US had retooled punk and stoner metal into new forms, resulting in Nirvana's historic take-down of Dangerous in late 1991. And that was BEFORE the child molestation charges began.

Who can watch these excerpts from 60 Minutes: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wQwY4ll1Kfc&feature=related and not run away screaming?

Still, I will concede, nobody influenced Michael Jackson impersonators like Michael Jackson did.

(Anonymous)

Re: influnce?

Amen and amen. I'm chiming in again only to note that Miley Cyrus was recently quoted as saying that Mike was her "inspiration".

Some fucking legacy.

JB

Re: influnce?

He influenced tons of artists, it's just that most of them were bad.

Re: influnce?

Okay, yeah. I concede that I exaggerated his musical importance. He is/was not on the level I claimed (Lennon/McCartney). I was drunk, yet again.